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Poster: rdenirojb87 Date: Aug 14, 2009 8:02pm
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http://jollyjoke.blogspot.com/2008/08/grateful-dead-crossroad.html

WOW! Just discovered this today and had to share it with you folks. Been downloading/listening to official Dead releases all day. Some incredible stuff on this site. Also has soundboards for every show from the '09 tour as well as all the Dick's Pick's, and much more. Best one I've come across so far is the Grateful Dead Movie Soundtrack. It's 5 discs of some of the best material from 1974, and from any era for that matter. Anyway, just wanted to spread the dead, so enjoy, for those that don't already know about this.

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Poster: Dhamma1 Date: Aug 14, 2009 8:31pm
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Am I the only one who thinks this is theft? None of us, I assume, would steal a Dicks Pick CD from a friend's living room, or shoplift one from our local record store. How is downloading the music from a site like this any different? Aren't you still taking something that doesn't belong to you, without paying for it?

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Poster: bbbrew Date: Aug 14, 2009 10:26pm
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No, your not the only one. Thats just wrong.

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Poster: Leonard Liotta Instructor English Date: Aug 18, 2009 8:09am
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To add my comment about "ripping off"---what exactly do we all do when we "shell out" $24 for a tee shirt.

If you examine the process by any band that offers merchandise--you become a walking billboard/advertisement
FOR FREE for the band you enjoy.

They get your money and free walking, mobile add.

How much would a band like "Metallica" have to "pay" for the tee-shirts and other paraphernalia?

Just giving the other side of the issue; as Henry James, our greatest American author states: The whole[of any object, person, occurance] is never fully known. One cannot argument with a singular view and not consider the alternative perspective. How do we know which view or argument is "correct"? it is the most compelling

Having said that, the argument about copying music, inventions, melodies can be found in the books and articles by K. Appiah, a modern philosphical activist, who in his article, "Whose Culture Is It Anyway" where he asks Who owns Art? Who owns the artifacts of a culture? And how can we negotiate owenership in a way that allows ALL INDIVIDUAL to PARTICIPATE (or engage) in beauty? Please download this man's articles--he develops a compelling argument about the sharing of a culture's asthetics and what we can do about the question of ownership. Is ART owned? or is it for all who want to engage without profit; the musicians are NOT excluded from making money in the ways I state above.

Len Liotta
Professor English
Florida Atlantic University
lliotta@fau.edu

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Poster: Leonard Liotta Instructor English Date: Aug 18, 2009 7:49am
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To add my comment about "ripping off"---what exactly do we all do when we "shell out" $24 for a tee shirt.

If you examine the process by any band that offers merchandise--you become a walking billboard/advertisement
FOR FREE for the band you enjoy.

They get your money and free walking, mobile add.

How much would a band like "Metallica" have to "pay" for the tee-shirts and other paraphernalia?

Just giving the other side of the issue; as Henry James, our greatest American author states: The whole[of any object, person, occurance] is never fully known. One cannot argument with a singular view and not consider the alternative perspective. How do we know which view or argument is "correct"? it is the most compelling

Having said that, the argument about copying music, inventions, melodies can be found in the books and articles by K. Appiah, a modern philosphical activist, who in his article, "Whose Culture Is It Anyway" where he asks Who owns Art? Who owns the artifacts of a culture? And how can we negotiate owenership in a way that allows ALL INDIVIDUAL to PARTICIPATE (or engage) in beauty? Please download this man's articles--he develops a compelling argument about the sharing of a culture's asthetics and what we can do about the question of ownership. Is ART owned? or is it for all who want to engage without profit; the musicians are NOT excluded from making money in the ways I state above.

Len Liotta
Professor English
Florida Atlantic University
lliotta@fau.edu

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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: Aug 18, 2009 9:57am
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a must-read from 1970

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On the success of the book, Hoffman was quoted as saying, "It's embarrassing when you try to overthrow the government and you wind up on the Best Seller's List."

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Aug 18, 2009 10:01am
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La propriété, c'est le vol!


Time to go back to reading my Fanon and Mao....

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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: Aug 18, 2009 10:30am
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"Steal This Book" includes advice on such topics as growing marijuana, starting a pirate radio station, living in a commune, stealing food, shoplifting, stealing credit cards, preparing a legal defense, making pipe bombs, and obtaining a free buffalo from the U.S. Department of the Interior. It discusses various tactics of fighting as well as giving a detailed list of affordable and easy ways to find weapons and armor that can be used in the event of a confrontation with law enforcement. The book advocates rebelling against authority in all forms, governmental and corporate."

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legit permit

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it's 420 time — over 8 million rolled dude
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Poster: skies Date: Aug 18, 2009 11:56am
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I read this book of Abbie Hoffman about three decades ago ! Saw your medical registry ,and what a lucky you are ! In France ,no such luck for us,the creepos prefer to legalize only killer stuff (booze/tobacco).only Holland and swizerland are decent about legal pot quality smoke . I don't think they have much in Spain, No humbolt gold!,and in France they don't even know what a good joint is all about .But me I remember it, so send me that good smell on cosmic wire ,next time you smoke a good one !!!

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Poster: skies Date: Aug 18, 2009 8:33am
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Bravo,Professor ! I coudn't have said it better than you did !

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Poster: dogsinapile! Date: Aug 15, 2009 4:31am
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It is theft. No one has to face the person they take from if they're siiting at home alone in front of a computer screen. If there is an audience recording or even soundboard copies of an official release already in circulation, download or trade that fileset, but the files from the official releases themselves should not be traded or downloaded. It's just wrong. It is the type of behavior that the straight world always expected from us and some are willing to live up to that image.

Why does a portion of the deadhead community have such a sense of entitlement? The band got to where they were through hard work and diligence, but some heads want everything handed to them for free. Get a job, make some money, and then buy all these official releases. They'll sound better if you earn them.

Thanks for the space to rant...


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Poster: skies Date: Aug 15, 2009 5:08am
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Euh...I never tried to sill GD music yet!!! I only wanted to hear their music while cruising to see other interesting stuff on archive.org .No stealing if I learn to do that ,yes ?

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Poster: cousinkix1953 Date: Aug 17, 2009 1:01pm
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Deadhead Community? Are you kidding me? These thieves charge $$$ to download ICE 9's copyrighted music. We are obligated to report this crooked website...

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Poster: Finster Baby Date: Aug 15, 2009 7:11am
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Just to play Devil's advocate for a moment.........

I'll just have to assume that all of you "that is theft" folks have never ever in the past copied a friend's album onto cassette or burned a copy of one of their cds for yourself. What's the difference???

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Aug 15, 2009 9:49am
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you are right Finster - it looks to me that these were bought releases and then uploaded to fileshare sites - very little difference in me buying a copy and then sending it to two or three of you guys. very very little difference.


(not that I really even care - bigger fish to fry in this world - speaking of fish, i could go for some salmon on the grill today)

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Poster: dogsinapile! Date: Aug 15, 2009 11:44am
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Never.

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Poster: high flow Date: Aug 15, 2009 12:27pm
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Hey! What about those Luther Vandross, Keith Sweat, Alexander O'neill, Cherelle, Bobby Brown and Al B Sure mix-tapes you made for your girlfriend? C'mon, fess up. You know you did.

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Poster: dogsinapile! Date: Aug 15, 2009 12:33pm
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That's insulting.
All my mixed tapes were made from FM recordings from Casey Kasem's American Top 40.

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Poster: high flow Date: Aug 15, 2009 12:37pm
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Yes!! With the annoying DJ cut-in at the end of the song! That was devotion to music. Sittin' by the radio hand on the dial. Soon as you hear it, pump up the volume. I did that.

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Poster: dogsinapile! Date: Aug 15, 2009 12:42pm
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And if you were really good you did a manual turn backwards on the tape between songs to make the transitions between songs that much more abrupt.

Seriously though, I never really did any mix tape making and once I started really collecting music, I became aware of the whole "ripping off" the artist thing. I taped (recorded) a lot of shows and copied the recordings for a bunch of folks, but I always bought the official/commercial releases and encouraged others to do so. Never copied a commercial release for myself. If I heard a good album at someone's house, I went out and bought it. May have gotten some filler on the end of a tape from a commercial release, but always eventually bought the record/CD. In fact, I have tried to always give away at least one copy of each show I taped as a kind of payback for the privilege of being able to make the tape in the first place.
Sorry. I just get bent out of shape by the folks who always want it for free, like they're getting over on someone by copying (or downloading as it is today) rather than buying. If it's for sale, then buy it. Simple.

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Poster: dilcurrie Date: Aug 15, 2009 1:05pm
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i totally agree, if its for sale buy it.

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Poster: Dhamma1 Date: Aug 15, 2009 1:00pm
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Morally, I think there's very little difference (between copying a friend's CD, and downloading an illegally published copy of it). In either case, one gets something without paying for it.

Legally, I believe that the copyright law permits one copy of a protected work for personal research or use of works that are not easily available for sale. So any published recordings that are out of print could be fairly copied by a person for their own private use. Hence, photocopiers in libraries.

Like you, I have bigger fish to fry and luckily am in a position to buy the recordings I want (at a modest pace...). But to distribute copies of protected works for free to the whole Web is a blatant copyright violation that seemed, to me, to warrant calling out.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Aug 15, 2009 2:09pm
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hopefully i can finish the '73 Winterland download before the site gets shut down ;)

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Poster: Styrofoam Cueball Date: Aug 15, 2009 5:50pm
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You and me both.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Aug 15, 2009 6:13pm
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lol :)

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Poster: DeadRed1971 Date: Aug 15, 2009 6:49pm
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From About.com:
When it comes to digital music and the law, a lot of people are confused about what they can and can’t do. Here is a list of CD dos and don’ts that will keep you safe.

Dos:

* Ripping CDs: Only rip original CDs that you legitimately own - borrowing an original CD off someone doesn't count.

* Digital Music Files: You can transfer digital music files to your own personal MP3 player providing those files have been ripped directly from a CD that you legitimately own.

* Copying a CD: Only copy original CDs that you legitimately own; you can burn ONE copy only for your own personal use.

Don’ts:

* Downloading ripped CD tracks: Never download copyrighted music from non-authorized Internet web sites that provide you with ripped CD tracks.

* Using file sharing programs (P2P): Ensure that if you do have a file sharing program installed on your computer that your legitimate CD rips are never made available to others on the Internet. This constitutes copyright infringement and you risk being sued by the RIAA.

* Copying a CD: Never make copies of CDs that you legitimately own in the belief that it is OK to give to your friends and family.

* Respecting copyright: Don't assume that just because there isn't a copyright notice on a CD or it's packaging that it is free to copy and distribute.

* Borrowing a CD: Borrowing an original CD off someone to make a copy for yourself or others is illegal.

* Digital music files: Don't copy digital music files from someone else’s MP3 player or computer, even if they own the original CD.

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Poster: Dhamma1 Date: Aug 16, 2009 4:25am
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Thanks. I believe those are the terms of the copyright law, put into plain english.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Aug 16, 2009 7:56am
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laws, shmaws

if more than 10% of the people who post on this forum have followed all of those "laws," i'll eat my dslr

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Poster: angular Date: Aug 15, 2009 7:11pm
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Hypocrites. Does this come from the same group that uses a "backdoor" to "acquire" GD soundboards?

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Poster: high flow Date: Aug 15, 2009 7:06pm
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"* Copying a CD: Never make copies of CDs that you legitimately own in the belief that it is OK to give to your friends and family."

These may, or may not be YOUR do's and don't.......but......

Wow. I guess I'm a hardened criminal. I've done this hundreds of times. As a result, my friends and family have been turned-on to countless bands and performances. They've purchased thousands of dollars of CD's and tickets. And they've told 2 friends, who told 2 friends and so on and so on and so on.........

Sorry. I feel that I, High Flow, have helped advance the cause of true art in music. I've certainly done more than the major labels. AND, I've done it out of love, not profit. Please, please, please try and convince me that my heroes who make this music would sue me for such an act!

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Poster: DeadRed1971 Date: Aug 15, 2009 7:49pm
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You will rot in jail like the criminal scum you are!

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yz-grdpKVqg

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Poster: skies Date: Aug 16, 2009 12:23am
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A few years ago ,all I could found on GD were totally boring commercial tapes .made in studio ,it dees nothing te get people into loving the GD .Got rid of the stuff . I love only LIVE shows ,period ,to listen and groove ,na !

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Poster: Styrofoam Cueball Date: Aug 15, 2009 7:33pm
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HF, that was both accurate and eloquent. Thank you... :)

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Aug 15, 2009 8:06pm
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and
never forget

as soon as the "illegally" procured music files are downloaded to your computer, you burn them immediately to disc, and never, ever, ever save the files on your laptop or externals. (just to be on the safer side)

hell, it's free, so who cares if the disc scratches down the road and you lose it - the files will probably still be out there, and the damn disc only cost you about 25 cents anyways.


hypothetically speaking of course


(now where in the world did i put ALL the commercially released cd's sent to me by upstanding members of this forum?? hell, none of them were even GD related. imagine that - i am part of an underground illicit stolen music organization.)

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Poster: high flow Date: Aug 15, 2009 8:12pm
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Yes. You'd best incinerate those Lonnie Donnegan and Tom Russell CD's I sent you. Those guys are on the horn to lawyer-up, as we speak.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Aug 15, 2009 8:21pm
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the RIAA already sent the henchmen in the black trenchcoats , but they only checked out my hard drives ;)

too many file sharers keep WAAAAAAY too many music files on their drives.

(and thanks again man for the discs) :)

oh, wait, you didnt send nuthin!!! (wink wink)

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Poster: skies Date: Aug 16, 2009 12:40am
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I chose only in stream mode to hear my GD music . It means My PC store nothing illegal, yes ?

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Aug 16, 2009 7:46am
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you are doing nothing wrong there my friend

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Poster: skies Date: Aug 17, 2009 3:30am
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creepos here pressure gvrmt to impose HEAVY laws about free music not paid for,and they just got laws made to spy on people and so,for sure listening stream GD free is OK,yes ?

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Poster: cousinkix1953 Date: Aug 17, 2009 1:34pm
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The problem here is that this website charges money, before you can download somebody else's copyrighted music. They use a Paypal account to handles these illegal transfers.

Nobody is prosecuted for making copies of their CDs and giving them away for nothing. Grateful Dead Productions doesn't give a shit either...

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Poster: Styrofoam Cueball Date: Aug 17, 2009 9:24pm
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They do not charge $$$ for their downloads. I don't know why that PayPal banner is there...

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Poster: Styrofoam Cueball Date: Aug 15, 2009 7:02pm
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psst! cheezit! :) That Salmon sounded good by the way... I bet it was, too!

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Aug 15, 2009 8:12pm
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shit - never got as far as the salmon. had a late lunch out with the Mrs and was too full for a real supper. lunch was good though - very tender baked chicked with melted goat cheese, red peppers, parsley, and warm lemon butter sauce - along with a medley of pan seared veggies.

went well with all the illegal music I downloaded today. (oops - let the cat out of the bag on that one - damn!!)

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Poster: Styrofoam Cueball Date: Aug 15, 2009 10:11pm
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hee hee... the chicken sounds good too!

I just checked: I have 5 songs on my hard drive, and one of those was an Amazon download that I paid a good .99 cents for...

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Poster: skies Date: Aug 16, 2009 12:34am
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Yum, Yum !That sure was a nice munching and crunching day .!

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Aug 15, 2009 6:03pm
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" I'll just have to assume that all of you "that is theft" folks have never ever in the past copied a friend's album onto cassette or burned a copy of one of their cds for yourself. What's the difference??? "

the diffence is that your friend bought it or you bought a copy you let your friend copy - ie you've bought bought commerical releases whereas this is a site putting it all out there to any and everyone for free - damn right it's wrong! Especially to the most generous band that ever existed.

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Poster: gmarks Date: Aug 15, 2009 12:45pm
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i will just say that i'm back in the fold after trying this; i'm not a computer jock but after some 6 hrs monkeying around i got very little in return and why mess w/ something 'just exactly right' anyways - i love the Archive, you guys, and i'm all for keeping it simple, I am very much enjoying the concert of the day '71 BCT.

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Poster: rdenirojb87 Date: Aug 16, 2009 1:19pm
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Wow, didn't mean to spark a discussion about the morality of illegal music sharing. Let me just say that the only reason I feel it's acceptable to share a site like I did, is because I know that most Dead Heads, via ticket sales, album sales, merchandise, etc., have probably invested A LOT of money in the band already.

I don't think it's unreasonable for someone to be entitled to some free releases, if they've already given so much back to the band. I will continue to support the Dead as long as I can, via whatever means, but that doesn't mean I'm going to pay top dollar for every Dick's Picks and other release.

If I can get a free release here or there, I'll take it, knowing that I have always supported the band, always will, and my obtaining of their music in "illegal ways" won't lessen my support for them in any means.

If somebody were new to the Dead though, for example, and wanted to download all the Dick's Picks as a place to start listening, THAT I would have a major problem with. But I'm fairly certain you folks have invested much time and money into the Dead already, and will continue to do so, whether or not you have the opportunity to get free Dead releases. Anybody see where I'm comin from?

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Poster: Dhamma1 Date: Aug 16, 2009 7:16pm
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It's been a pretty good little discussion, actually. Thanks for launching it, even if unintentionally.

As for your explanation, you seem to say that it's alright to steal $15 now and again, esp. if you've paid for things legitimately until now, but it's wrong to steal $45 or $120 all at once.

To me, that's like the famous contrdiction in being "only a little bit pregnant." Taking something you don't pay for is theft, no matter on what scale or what circumstances preceded the act.

But that's just me.

We each have our own limits, and we tend to apply them flexibly. I've ripped copies from CDs borrowed from a library, for example, when the disc was no longer for sale. Seemed acceptable to me at the time. And what about buying and copying secondhand CDs? Clearly there's no moral ambiguity about that, even though the copyright holders get no royalties.

Anyway,thanks again for getting some of us thinking.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Aug 16, 2009 11:47pm
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"And what about buying and copying secondhand CDs? Clearly there's no moral ambiguity about that, even though the copyright holders get no royalties."

sure made me think of ebay (from which i actually have bought maybe 7 or so cd's. you are right - no royalties - almost worse than file sharing in a certain way. never mind the dozens upon dozens of poetry books i have purchased. makes me feel FAR less guilty about snagging a few files here and there. granted it is only one copy (at a time anyways, but then again, i am only "one listener." - cant worry about what others are doing.

oh well, certainly enjoying a couple of things off the aforementioned site (they were not dead related however; maybe that makes it even worse)

doubt i will lose much sleep over it

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Poster: cousinkix1953 Date: Aug 17, 2009 1:43pm
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Some of the stores actually buy and resell used CDs too. They've been doing this since the vinyl LP era of the late 60s.

College radio stations often sell boxes full used so-called "promotional copy" disks, which is contrary to the agreement with record companies, that provided them for free.

You can borrow CDS and DVDs from the bigger public libraries and take them home. Nobody can really stop you from making illegal copies; because some software programs can defeat DRM and watermarked protection schemes...

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Aug 17, 2009 2:41pm
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excellent points


(hence my lack of guilt at some of my collection)


:)

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Poster: high flow Date: Aug 16, 2009 7:41pm
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Mostly this thread has reminded me just how much fun I've had over the years. Dubbing tapes, recording LP's, buying used CDs and tapes at Rasputin's, sharing music, trading music, getting 8 cd's for a penny when you buy 1 at twice it's retail value, and partying my ass off to great music. Thanks for the memories.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Aug 16, 2009 11:52pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: ENJOY! EVERY OFFICIAL DEAD RELEASE! and much more

thanks for pointing out the site. i rarely download stuff like that - but there were a few nuggets i NEVER even would have considered buying.

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Poster: Jim F Date: Aug 17, 2009 11:45pm
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I like Jolly Joker's site, overall, even if most of it is blatant piracy. I've downloaded a few of the official Dead releases, but they're mostly one's I've owned (and BOUGHT) for years but am either too lazy to dig up and rip so I can have them on my computer, or were ones that I lent to my ex girlfriend who scratched em all up and made them unlistenable. In the majority of almost every official release, I've already had a lossless copy of the show for a long time anyway, and I'll download the "official" version from Jolly Joker just to see if they're worth upgrading and buying. Generally they aren't.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Aug 18, 2009 6:59am
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"In the majority of almost every official release, I've already had a lossless copy of the show for a long time anyway, and I'll download the "official" version from Jolly Joker just to see if they're worth upgrading and buying. Generally they aren't."

i almost always find that to be the case too. as far as the dead - i already have more than i can ever even listen to on lossless copies. there are a few interesting non-dead collections on Jolly Joker that I grabbed a few tracks from. I certainly wouldnt be spending $50+ for something i only want a few tracks from. Many people look at this as somewhat immoral. However, i aint losing any sleep over it -

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Poster: Jerrob Hungar Date: Aug 18, 2009 8:37am
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As Kosmic Karl said, 'From each according to his ability, to each according to his need'.

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Aug 15, 2009 1:08am
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Whether right or wrong - this is the kind of site that might get pulled down if you share it with too many people! Sometimes it's better just to whisper, if you don't want a favorite site to disappear.

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Poster: spacedface Date: Aug 15, 2009 2:20am
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Such blatancy is kinda mean to the have nots, but it might make the 'pan of judgment' less murky in the end.

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Poster: Styrofoam Cueball Date: Aug 15, 2009 10:58am
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Indeed. And whispering also means taking off the damn Caps Lock...

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Poster: William Tell Date: Aug 15, 2009 12:19pm
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Ha! Good one...CLIFF used to have this issue as well.

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Poster: falconcry77 Date: Aug 15, 2009 9:21am
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aside form the morality issue: this isn't every official release by a long shit. shot, sorry.

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Poster: mcgannahan Date: Aug 15, 2009 11:28am
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have you ever burned hundreds if not thousands of copies of official releases for people? big difference imho.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Aug 15, 2009 12:14pm
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You know, it got me thinking...how many tapes (the medium I did most of "this" with) do I have from an LP that someone bought that I borrowed to tape during the 70s and 80s? NONE.

My collection consists entirely of stuff I bought, and all the tapes and even CDs (that have "mixes" from friends) that are of material bought by someone else are all used for a few yrs of listening and then discarded (generally cause they were cheap materials, didn't have all the fancy pants store bought holders, inserts, etc.).

So, not that I am defending it, but for me, this sort of "sharing" was never really about avoiding the cost as much as "sampling"...my own collection is made up entirely of what I bought, OR, in the past few yrs, I have accumulated via DLs (though none of those have been commercial releases to my knowledge).

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Poster: dogsinapile! Date: Aug 15, 2009 12:36pm
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Exactly.

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Poster: billydlions Date: Aug 15, 2009 6:01am
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Yes, this is stealing. And beware you may get what you deserve as this was one of the comments that was posted:

great blog, great music. but there have been a crap load of pop ups lately and i got some nasty trojans the other day that wreaked havoc on my computer. i know there isnt much that can be done, it comes with the territory. thanks

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Poster: mcgannahan Date: Aug 14, 2009 8:55pm
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i liked the old days where you burned a copy for your friend. at least one of you bought the release.